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    The developers scammed people, or at the very least was intentionally misleading people when they introduced the founder packs.

    This has become a pay to win game which they said it never would.

    I know many will criticize me but everyone should remember that I am free to post my opinion. I tried to get a refund from the company and my credit card company after I bought a founder pack and saw what the game was really like.

    Last point: I know everyone will say I should have researched what the game was, I did research on google because this company erased the forum on the 19th before the founder release. I joined the forums on the 20th.

  • #2
    How is this pay to win?

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    • J_M_O_ commented
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      Not trying to put you down, but it is very much pay to win. Nobody argues that with these types of games. On release their will not be a price to buy the game. They make their money through the micro-transactions in store, which means the good stuff is hard to get without micro-transactions.

  • #3
    Originally posted by J_M_O_ View Post
    The developers scammed people, or at the very least was intentionally misleading people when they introduced the founder packs.

    This has become a pay to win game which they said it never would.

    I know many will criticize me but everyone should remember that I am free to post my opinion. I tried to get a refund from the company and my credit card company after I bought a founder pack and saw what the game was really like.

    Last point: I know everyone will say I should have researched what the game was, I did research on google because this company erased the forum on the 19th before the founder release. I joined the forums on the 20th.
    It's not pay to win, a single Epic item and an Epic hero is more than enough to carry you through the entire game at least up through Canny. Epic Survivors come frequently enough and you don't need Legendary Survivors to fill out your stat bags and the current event gives Epics out like candy even. The event items are certainly good enough to use and whilst you're not getting optimal items for free you don't need the "best" items to play the game and win. You get Upgrade Llamas for free and if you use your FREE v-bucks on the Super Llamas which you need to fill holes that RNG left you with then you remove a vast majority of luck in terms of getting simply usable items, it might not be what you want sure, but you don't always get what you want that doesn't make the game pay to win.

    Bottom-line yes the amount of RNG is annoying, but it's certainly not pay to win and you're clearly just bitter.

    The Founder's Revolt is good enough to use and that comes from the 60 USD purchase (price before any sales or mark downs) which is the standard price of a regular game and giving you a weapon you can use throughout the game. You get Legendary Hero transform keys through dailies if you heroes are lacking that you can put your "junk" legendaries into or Epic Heroes you don't want into to try to get a Legendary Hero you do want. The Hydra from the first event is a solid weapon, the Trash Cannon is solid as well and the Gravedigger from the current "event" is my new favorite weapon (I have better weapons, but I level event items first because they're event items) and they're all 100% free undoubtedly they will continue to release events and along with them release event items that may not be the best, but again you don't need the absolute best items to win. The current "event" gives out an Epic of your choice between Urban Assault, Shuriken Master, and Ranger (Left off the Constructor intentionally) some of the best sub-classes for each of their respective classes and the differences between Epic and Legendary Heroes is negligible in terms of being successful in the game. At the end you also get your choice between a Legendary Support Specialist or Dragon (left off the Constructor intentionally again) both of which are solid if you absolutely need to have that orange background on you hero for OCD reasons. The event AC is easy to obtain and is legendary and the best Outlander class for resource harvesting which is especially nice for this event as it's resource-centric. (had to harvest practically the entire map to get enough stakes as I wanted to do it in one mission) Despite the doomsayers you don't need combat bonuses to play the game higher tiers, they help sure and they tend to make the hero "better", but characters like the Pathfinder are good without them for compensation in other areas same with characters like Power Base who has no combat bonuses, but is still the best Constructor.

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    • #4
      I was annoyed, ever so slightly, when the characters I bought for the game that were going to be founder's only turned up again for people joining the game months after it was released, but meh. It's not the end of the world or anything, just annoying that I feel like I jumped the gun for something I could have just as easily bought down the pipeline.

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      • #5
        anyone who thinks this game is pay to win, has obviously not played the game enough.

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        • Herbalous commented
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          agree
          with this

      • #6
        Think I'll go ahead and claim the game isn't "p2w" and give (emphasis on this part) absolutely no reason as to why I think that.

        get the hint?

        seriously though it isn't pay to win, you're misusing the term. If you want to argue anything, it's merely paying to quicken the grinding but that's it. Furthermore I only have the standard edition, and I've yet to pay anything and I'm progressing just fine. I also don't mind grinding a bit as there's a lot of games I do play that has some sense of grind to it. So what exactly is your issue? Being able to buy weapons? Something you can ignore entirely by but not buying into and setting your lobbies to private where players who are spending can't join you. What about getting characters that are much higher tier than what you originally had? I'm refer back to my previous sentence on the weapons. They're ignorable and not necessary.

        the game is only "paying to relieve the grind" if you buy into it and that'd be your own fault.

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        • Herbalous commented
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          got him, well summed up

      • #7
        You should stop using terms without knowing their meaning.

        How is this pay to win?

        How do you got scammed?

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        • #8
          I'd say the game is pay to go faster. The founders packs were not worth it though. Just get a couple of legendary troll trucks and you're better off.

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          • #9
            Pay to win is a term that means different things to different people, so I won't say the OP is misusing it but...

            Luck plays a big roll in how a player perceives the game. Get lucky with a couple decent cards and your play experience is far better than the guy that gets crummy cards... which could very easily give someone the impression the game is p2w. Now obviously the more you llamas you open the better your odds of getting something you want but because of the layered RNG even big spenders aren't guaranteed a good pay out.

            The only advice I can really provide is to move on, it's the same advice I'd give to anyone in any game if they find themselves frustrated.

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            • Herbalous commented
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              i had horrible cards till level 30 but i kept playing and got really good legenedays from this event and a great hero and collection booked alot of stuff and had a huge jump on stats

          • #10
            So, since everybody talks about terms and meaning, let me quickly explain "pay to win":

            The term "pay to win" means, that a player who pays money through micro-transactions, is far better if not unbeatable by players on the same level, who didn't spend money in micro-transactions.

            And most obvious: This game never will be "pay to win" since there is nobody to beat for progress. There is nothing to win.
            If the mission fails, it's because the players didn't work together.
            The whole game is based on teamwork and to be honest, someone who spend money on llamas only makes it easier for the whole squad to make the mission a success. Most of them will even craft and give you those legendary weapons, if you give them resources to build it.

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            • Herbalous commented
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              oh my god. great comment. thats a great perspective to see it from.

          • #11
            The strongest player I play with was given the game from a friend code, and has spent nothing on it. I've spent a grand total of 8 pounds, aside from upgrading to deluxe edition. I don't find this game pay to win at all. If you want the currently strongest listed 'meta' heroes... well atm this event gives out some very good heroes. The last event did as well. All 3 events have given out good fixed stat weapons that were obtainable for free.

            The biggest issue I have with not spending a lot on this game is that I'm struggling massively for schematic space. I have got rid of almost everything I have that's blue, and I'm still over cap, and don't want to get rid of more things.

            I would pay for more schematic space if it was fairly priced.

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            • #12
              The community within stw is far different than any other game I've seen so far. In no way is it giving an unfair advantage to those who pay a little more for the game. Nimassus is right, players will share their resources and schematics in order to help another player out.

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              • #13
                Who says p2w is pvp only? When developers start manipulating gameplay by increasing grind time or locking needed in game items behind RNG loot crates. The term pay to win can very much apply, especially in the case of Fortnite or any card based video game.

                It's no where near as bad as it was during the founders event but the game still revolves around a purchasable random loot crate that can make winning (completing high level missions) easier. Basically it'll make you op for your quest line and you never lose.

                To me winning is winning no matter who or what it's against players or AI and paying to make winning easier in my mind and many others is called pay to win. Publishers are pushing some pretty shading micro transaction practices these days. Thankfully Fortnite does seem to be coming around. It doesn't feel like it punishes the player like it use to.

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                • #14
                  How many hours of enjoyment did you get out of the game before you decided it was a ripoff? Most single player campaign style games you get maybe 40-70 hours of play time before it's "done" - if you have any amount close to that into this game you got your money's worth. No game is free to develop and there can only be so much content before they need more revenue to continue. They offer a *choice* to pay to get ahead so that those who cannot or do not want to pay don't have to.

                  They gave you a bunch of founder pack items with the $$ you spent on the game as a starter kit. Makes perfect sense to me.

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                  • Herbalous commented
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                    makes sense to me

                • #15
                  there isn't a need to buy anything to progress.
                  The events give out many many great rewards
                  spend if u like to help the devs, but there absolutely isnt a need to spend at all to complete the game and become competitive.
                  Yes, you will be weaker than a big spender, but the game is still winnable in your weaker state.
                  Yes, you won't have a many toys as a big spender, but I bet you will have at least one decent hero and weapon.

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