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    UT Lore Development.

    I wasn't sure where to put this thread, but in the art section seemed most appropriate. UT doesn't really have that much of a story, but it would be kinda cool if design of all the games assets and the blurbs attached to maps where guided by an underlying story, that is: hints at the universe this takes place in.

    The character designs that are official are going towards a slightly paramilitary feel, but that feels more like the original UT, which had mercenary characters, terrorists and so. Lightly armored, instead of the tank like power-armored juggernauts of UT3. That was okay for UT3 as that game was set in a war. I like the overall feel of how its going now.

    So I really wanted to open this thread for people to discuss developing the lore of this game.

    Personally, I think it should borrow from all the other games without being rigidly attached to some canonical thing, because all of the previous games kinda made no sense put together. So, take the DNA, but don't be absolutist or afraid to retcon something. Definitely, this has to be set in the tournament and not a random corporate war. It should have a slightly sports feel, like this is to the future a mix of Reality TV, Racing, The Olympics and UFC! I say Olympics, because the characters in this tournament display the full range of human athletic and mental abilities in all the various game types. I think references to modern social media culture wouldn't be a terrible idea, if done in a tongue in cheek way. This would give a bit of an updated feel and it could be incorporated into things like advertisement in a city map and so on.


    For the Necris/Phayder, my own idea for them is that Nanoblack is a substance that was discovered by xeno-acheologists prospecting the newly discovered Omicron 6, as this was possible planet for human colonies. The world had the decaying architectural remains of a previous alien civilization, but no apparent life. The Phayder Corporation in secret spent years experimenting on this new substance without revealing its existence. It was hoped to be a possible nano-weapon, but they found it could delay aging and death when injected into organisms and controlled by macroscopic implants. This made for very effective but psychotic assasins, as they nanoblack warps the users mind and slowly corrupts them. The older Necris will look more transformed by it. Phayder monopolize this miraculous substance and only allow this modification process for those wealthy enough or loyal enough to the Corporation. They have it all sewn up so that the tech can't be just copied someone else and that they are the gatekeepers to the most advanced nano-tech in the Galaxy. Their culture is based on trans-humanism and nihilism, sort of the tenets of Nietzsche but they despise life, see it as inferior and want to wipe it from the galaxy and replace it with their own "superior" civilization to the ever reproducing virus of life. They can't reproduce, only transform new organsim into necris, but they se this as a good thing and that life is a plague. Naturally all humans want them dead (this time for good!) as see their belief system as a threat to the Galaxy. So they don't believe in a God, but they do hark back to the previous Omicron civilization in a cultist way, but might have interpreted it completely wrong as they only have fragments of it to go on. What happened to the previous race on Omicron...that's a unsolved mystery. Ideological transhumanist fundamentalist fused with alien technology, to sum it up.

    My idea for Xan is to at least move him away from just being a robot and make him possibly a guy in a suit (Iron Man?) or at least leave that open as a possibility, that he secretly is the the CEO of Liandri, but highly modified with power armor that mimics his body, that's powered by a small nuclear reactor. Or a possibility is that his body did die eventually but his mind was uploaded to a future version of the armor.


    My Idea for the BioRfile goo is that its called a GES Biorifle because processing Tarydium uses an organism that digests the crystals (like an alien microbe, amoeba or algae indigenous to Na Pali) and the green stuff in Green Exploding **** really is, well ****, its the biological substance excreted by it.

    My idea for the Izanagi, would be to make them look more like cyberninjas, rather than Ronin tanks, but without being too stereotypical or antiquated. Their armour would be streamlined and not too complex, and with ghost-face logo on it. Will probably have to draw that one to explain what i mean. Added onto it would be items like futuristic shurikens and grenades and so on. The reason there are old looking buildings on their colony worlds even though their a modern corporation, is that this is a nostalgia thing in the hyperindustrial world of the future, and tech has become almost invislble or integrated into everyday objects, so colonial corporations operate what are essentially "theme worlds" in the future to get away from it all! The new expanse of lands opened up by jumpgates and jumpships enabled worlds like this to be built for rich enough colonists and retirees. Behind the facade, its all run by corporations and technology and is basically fake.


    I think it should be implied that on winning the Earth-Skaarj War, humans also eventually overtook Na-Pali and the NEG's second largest base is here, with a jumpgate over the world. Its their crown jewel, but the Skaarj want it back and are constantly testing ite defenses. So, some maps set on occupied Na-Pali...except the humans are now the occupiers and have a tenuous relationship with the Nali, that is not completely terrible. Some Nali believe their Messiah will come gain to remove the NEG millitary forces. After winning the war, use of tarydium and Skaarj tecnology became widespead on Earth, and all wonders were achieved from respawners to 12 mile high buildings using this new power source. It was a leap forward for humans, but the war came with the consequence of a semi-dictatorial government, that is run by a council of leaders from the former separate nations of the world, kind of like a corporate board, rather than a single emperor figure. Before the Earth-Skaarj war, humanity was separate power blocs and nations fighting each other, with their respective chartered corporations for new colonies in space, and the fight for human survival forced a single earth government to be formed. A Map with a rusting ISV-Kran hull or Vortex Rikers would be cool.

    Oh and if anyone is making Niven or a similar map, i think it would be cool if part of its back-story isn't that is just a random orbital nuclear reactor (what would that be useful for), but that reactor actually the power source for an obsolete 'second cold war' orbital energy weapon (like ion painter satelite, but the size of a space station)

    And deep lithosphere mining is a controversial technique in the future as it's rumored to cause Earthquakes (DM-Liandri/Deck-17). There could be a map set, with all these worming metal tubes sucking lava out of the mantle up into a fissure in the earth, with little force-field ports that allow you see through to the glowing magma. UT3 had no lava levels


    anyway, long post. Anyone who wants to add their general ideas of what the lore should be, feel free to chime in!
    Last edited by Gregori; 01-16-2015, 06:27 AM.

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    Originally posted by InVader View Post
    There's also the Metal Guard. Some of it's members are re-built half-robot (much like Shepard in Mass Effect), brainwashed lunatics created by Xan to help him win the tournament.
    Well the Metal Guard are explicitely explained has cyborgs, or at least humans with robotics augments. It isn't as clear for The Corrupt and Blood Fist.
    Originally posted by InVader View Post
    Soooo... this guy?

    Yup, that's even what I have in mind when typing. Though I'm sure he isn't the only one in that case.

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    Originally posted by Darkloser View Post
    I think what might as well add to the confusion about "robot or not ?" is that we never got a clear distinction beetwen what is cyborg or what is robotic. Especially beetwen The Corrupt and Blood Fist.
    There's also the Metal Guard. Some of it's members are re-built half-robot (much like Shepard in Mass Effect), brainwashed lunatics created by Xan to help him win the tournament.

    Originally posted by Darkloser View Post
    Because one theory that might exist as well is simply that Jerl became an advanced cyborg, and used Xan as his new body ?
    Soooo... this guy?

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    Originally posted by InVader View Post
    UNLESS Jerl started the uprising himself, because uhhh... he got fed up with how the ruling board was going for whatever reason?


    It's a little stretched out, don't you think ?

    I think what might as well add to the confusion about "robot or not ?" is that we never got a clear distinction beetwen what is cyborg or what is robotic. Especially beetwen The Corrupt and Blood Fist.
    Because one theory that might exist as well is simply that Jerl became an advanced cyborg, and used Xan as his new body ?

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    Originally posted by Darkloser View Post
    I believe they were developped as advanced mining robots (Liandri first business), but it's more than possible they also conceived them so they might be used as a military force as well. A multi-purpose robot with advanced AI capabilities would give a huge advantage to Liandri.
    And they succesfully achieved that goal... A little too well. Leading to the Robot Uprising. What were their goal after the uprising is unknow, and we'll probably never have any light about, as they were stopped and reprogrammed.

    So yeah it might be that there's two "Xan". The robot one that led the actual rebellion might have served as a template to create an advanced suit of armor for Jerl Liandri, which battled in the first tournament and won. After that, Malcom join the Tournament and take the title of Champion of the Tournament. It might be that Jerl decided to stop the developpment of the armor (and maybe other tasks asked for his attention), yet continue the "Xan" project by using the original robot. However they never told anything about this, and that combined with the public being unaware of the uprising led to the belief that Jerl is still competing.

    Basically Xan should represent the pinnacle of Liandri technology. But they keep his true identity secret both for the popularity and to confuse any competitor.

    I think that might be the best way to settle this. Otherwise you'll always have that Robot VS Human conflict. And who knows ? Maybe one day Jerl will come back as Xan ?
    UNLESS Jerl started the uprising himself, because uhhh... he got fed up with how the ruling board was going for whatever reason?

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    Originally posted by InVader View Post
    I think Jim gave the full timeline on some other post, which involved The Corrupt as well. Basically it's all about the robot-uprising. The moment when the robots actually become sentient somehow. Until then they were... what? security bots? Mining bots? Doesn't really matter, we can make up whatever background we want for them.

    In UT99 his description says that he's actually the CEO of Liandri and he's wearing a special suit, rather than being a robot. If we look at the timeline though, it says that Xan was actually leading the 2283 robot uprising and he was the hardest-to-reprogram robot from the Corrupt. After gaining control over them (ending the revolution) they were all put in the Tournament. Keep in mind, the revolution was quelled quietly by a small commando team and as a result the general public didn't even know about the incident, which is why they might think Xan is actually Jerl Liandri in power armor.

    It's weird, because some of the gibs of Xan in UT99 are actually bloody. Xan Mk I and Xan Mk II-III might be entirely different characters too.
    I believe they were developped as advanced mining robots (Liandri first business), but it's more than possible they also conceived them so they might be used as a military force as well. A multi-purpose robot with advanced AI capabilities would give a huge advantage to Liandri.
    And they succesfully achieved that goal... A little too well. Leading to the Robot Uprising. What were their goal after the uprising is unknow, and we'll probably never have any light about, as they were stopped and reprogrammed.

    So yeah it might be that there's two "Xan". The robot one that led the actual rebellion might have served as a template to create an advanced suit of armor for Jerl Liandri, which battled in the first tournament and won. After that, Malcom join the Tournament and take the title of Champion of the Tournament. It might be that Jerl decided to stop the developpment of the armor (and maybe other tasks asked for his attention), yet continue the "Xan" project by using the original robot. However they never told anything about this, and that combined with the public being unaware of the uprising led to the belief that Jerl is still competing.

    Basically Xan should represent the pinnacle of Liandri technology. But they keep his true identity secret both for the popularity and to confuse any competitor.

    I think that might be the best way to settle this. Otherwise you'll always have that Robot VS Human conflict. And who knows ? Maybe one day Jerl will come back as Xan ?

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    Originally posted by Graydar View Post
    Well, we have a couple of factions that need to have some sort of character and background. The Necris and Phayder are already being worked on I believe - what about Xan and the corrupt?

    I do like the idea that they're in some way sentient and aware of their situation but, their robotic nature "corrupts" them so they're not exactly human, so they're slaves for all eternity in this tournament.
    I think Jim gave the full timeline on some other post, which involved The Corrupt as well. Basically it's all about the robot-uprising. The moment when the robots actually become sentient somehow. Until then they were... what? security bots? Mining bots? Doesn't really matter, we can make up whatever background we want for them.

    In UT99 his description says that he's actually the CEO of Liandri and he's wearing a special suit, rather than being a robot. If we look at the timeline though, it says that Xan was actually leading the 2283 robot uprising and he was the hardest-to-reprogram robot from the Corrupt. After gaining control over them (ending the revolution) they were all put in the Tournament. Keep in mind, the revolution was quelled quietly by a small commando team and as a result the general public didn't even know about the incident, which is why they might think Xan is actually Jerl Liandri in power armor.

    It's weird, because some of the gibs of Xan in UT99 are actually bloody. Xan Mk I and Xan Mk II-III might be entirely different characters too.

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    Well, we have a couple of factions that need to have some sort of character and background. The Necris and Phayder are already being worked on I believe - what about Xan and the corrupt?

    I do like the idea that they're in some way sentient and aware of their situation but, their robotic nature "corrupts" them so they're not exactly human, so they're slaves for all eternity in this tournament.

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    Originally posted by Ashenwraith View Post
    The Running Man and Blade Runner take place on mostly normal Earth with humans.

    So many people claim to be fans of these games but their recollection seems spotty at best:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b18Va6bl1Q4
    Im not sure theres a point in there somewhere, so far in this UT I havent seen alot of Alien have you? The Necris and Skaarj are very humanoid and all the structures still look very human architecture. Total Recall and Blade Runner were meant to be linked, Minory Report came out of Total Recall 2 or somethin, in Blade Runner they do go to other planets you never really see it, maybe I should have said the lesser known Tex Murphy instead.

    The Running Man is what I envision UT to become if it ever took itself seriously, a game about a bloodsport with over the top commentators (and desensitized crowds), action hero styled characters etc, more SP orientated obviously. UT2003 glamorized it because Malcolm was ontop of his game winning then Gorge knocks him down a peg, the game gets darker in UT2004 and the return of Xan, the death of Damarus. Trust me, I play the games... The original seemed darker to me, especially in regards to character bios, the follow ups were all more sports orientated which is fine but I think theres room for both, you go from the minor leagues into the majors and then you probably filter people online or let em continue offline maybe even with bot ghosts of their friends to improve the AI game.

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    Originally posted by MonsOlympus View Post
    I would have said The Running Man myself, or Blade Runner because of the more urban intro (no not Keith ) but sure I can see the WWE connection. Even fighting games have stories though, it might be the same boring formula each time that doesnt mean its not there, b-grade underground fighting ring movies just keep getting made so they must be popular, look at something like Spartacus... Wildly popular among adults because it doesnt treat them like children, its the same with GoT. I wish this UT wasnt e-sports focused because then we could capture a market outside of that, one thats ripe for the picking, adults play games too, we dont just play war games either some of us have broader tastes.

    I want UT to play on its strength, it doesnt need to be AAA cuz its entirely indie, it can be a b-grade action movie targeted at adults who want more thrills. Right now it doesnt have much aura, its just a shooter, I think it needs story to set the scene and without that it just feels like some weird intergalatic cartoon.
    The Running Man and Blade Runner take place on mostly normal Earth with humans.

    So many people claim to be fans of these games but their recollection seems spotty at best:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b18Va6bl1Q4

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    Originally posted by Ashenwraith View Post
    Unreal has a story, but UT is like WWE meets Total Recall
    I would have said The Running Man myself, or Blade Runner because of the more urban intro (no not Keith ) but sure I can see the WWE connection. Even fighting games have stories though, it might be the same boring formula each time that doesnt mean its not there, b-grade underground fighting ring movies just keep getting made so they must be popular, look at something like Spartacus... Wildly popular among adults because it doesnt treat them like children, its the same with GoT. I wish this UT wasnt e-sports focused because then we could capture a market outside of that, one thats ripe for the picking, adults play games too, we dont just play war games either some of us have broader tastes.

    I want UT to play on its strength, it doesnt need to be AAA cuz its entirely indie, it can be a b-grade action movie targeted at adults who want more thrills. Right now it doesnt have much aura, its just a shooter, I think it needs story to set the scene and without that it just feels like some weird intergalatic cartoon.

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    Unreal has a story, but UT is like WWE meets Total Recall

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    Originally posted by MonsOlympus View Post
    Yeah Im feeling ya, it wouldnt surprise me if they want to kick it out the door, one possibility that crossed my mind was the intent was always to pass the game to the community but thats wishful thinking or a nightmare depending on whichever way you look at it.
    Oh, that would definitively kill the game. Right now the wishful thinking that the game will eventually become grand is the only thing what's keeping the few die-hard fans creating content for this game. Even so, it's super slow - granted, that fact that we are slow is because we don't have deadlines. Artists always find fault in their own work and unless they have a deadline they keep reworking it until it's perfect (that me -.-).

    Originally posted by MonsOlympus View Post
    I know Epic is entirely capable of making awesome games and I do think we blame developers for publishers sometimes, I thought Epic caught a bit of a raw deal with Midway over their time together, especially compared to the job Microsoft did with Gears and I dont even particularly like MS much. One thing that always struck a cord with me though was how the developers kinda blamed the tardy release of UT for its success, that they had more time to polish the game so it would really surprise me if the end goal was release this year and then its all over for UT.

    Then again Gears really showed Epic didnt have to be focused on Unreal, that they could make successful IP and not just sequels, UT is kinda just another notch on the belt now, I do wonder what Unreal Warfare would have been, if XMP could have gone further or Tribes Vs future if it wasnt Ascend. Publishers can get in the way of good IP and thats not happening here so who knows whats next, I wish we did even remotely.
    I wouldn't really call UT "another one" right now. Arena shooters are really not what they used to be anymore and are rather unpopular, but the name of UT is strong. Toxikk has 1k+ reviews overall in steam early access, 83% positive, yet the servers are still dead. We are not even on Steam, but we can keep our servers populated, which is cool.

    If it gets released as an incomplete mess though, that's practically a death sentence. I don't think any of the current content creators will be motivated enough to try and save the game after that. Given that nobody is really pushing Epic towards release (other than themselves), it's a surprising decision to make for sure. Even if Epic would pull resources and workforce from Fortnite (which might have happened already) and Paragon (which will never happen) they can't possibly create and polish vehicles/vehicle game modes and maps by the end of this year.
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    Originally posted by InVader View Post
    IF lore will get any attention at all, that is. I know I would pay good money for the episodic DLC developed by Epic internally, taking us to all kinds of times and places in the Unreal Universe, fighting of monsters in good ol' MonsterHunt gamemodes, explaining some lore about how it all happened, getting a closer look at all the races...

    Regardless of the grand visions we all had for this game, I get the feeling this game will remain a simple little online arena shooter with no focus on the lore whatsoever. Especially if they want to release the game this year (as unbelievable that sounds).
    Yeah Im feeling ya, it wouldnt surprise me if they want to kick it out the door, one possibility that crossed my mind was the intent was always to pass the game to the community but thats wishful thinking or a nightmare depending on whichever way you look at it.

    I know Epic is entirely capable of making awesome games and I do think we blame developers for publishers sometimes, I thought Epic caught abit of a raw deal with Midway over their time together, especially compared to the job Microsoft did with Gears and I dont even particularly like MS much. One thing that always struck a cord with me though was how the developers kinda blamed the tardy release of UT for its success, that they had more time to polish the game so it would really surprise me if the end goal was release this year and then its all over for UT.

    Then again Gears really showed Epic didnt have to be focused on Unreal, that they could make successful IP and not just sequels, UT is kinda just another notch on the belt now, I do wonder what Unreal Warfare would have been, if XMP could have gone further or Tribes Vs future if it wasnt Ascend. Publishers can get in the way of good IP and thats not happening here so who knows whats next, I wish we did even remotely.

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